The Northern California Fly Fishing Board

I wasnt shoving orvis down anyones throat I was saying "thank you" to people who were kind enough to help me out with my project!! sorry boss!

troutnut wrote:
lots of other bad influences that were rampant here in California and Sonoma County.

I hear ya, bro. The natural beauty, fresh ag and seafood, world class wine, open-minded citizens...They've really done a number on me, too.

Grevel, It's great that you have been able to work hard and turn what you love to do into a career. I fly for a living, so I can indentify. But I've never been big into techie equipment stuff for fly fishing. I have no idea how far I can cast. I've been fly fishing for about 25 years (I'm 36 now), and I've been really good at for about 8 years now. I fish with a couple of Powell rods that are 14 or 15 years old and I have a Pfleuger reel from the 1960's I bought on ebay for $20. I have one spool of SA 4wt WF-F and one of Wulff TT 5wt WF-F that are both 3-4 years old. I fish all kinds of flies with those (dries and nymphs). But I always catch fish. I even catch big fish if I want to - depends on where I am. More often than not I'll put on a little PMD or similar dry and catch 6 to 14 inch trout all day and be quite happy. But very rarely do I not catch fish and whenever I fish with others I usually at least double the number of fish caught by the next most successfull person - often times the guys or gals with a rig that cost 3 or 4 times what mine did. Not that this is a numbers game, but I am illustrating a point. We all love fly fishing. For some it's all about the gadgets and the next new thing. For me it's catching and releasing fish and fishing with friends and just being out in the wild. Understanding the scientific/technical/equipment parts of fly fishing is important, but the 'art' or feel aspect is so much more important (if you want to catch fish that is). There are those out there who are skilled enough to take the equipment to those corners of the performance envelope most of us can't/don't want/don't need to reach. It seems you may be one of those gifted casters. I'd just rather spend my time on the water instead of making my own leaders or worrying about whether or not rod could be a few ounces lighter. But I don't give anyone a hard time or think less of them for whatever aspect of the sport draws them in and feeds them. The fact that your youth bothers people is just human nature. I would encourage you to focus on the potential to learn and improve you position offers you, rather than trumpeting your accomplishments thus far. And just generally enjoy the hell out of life (as it appears you are), I know I have.

Long time reader, first time poster.

While I understand that Orvis may not be everyone's cup of tea, they are not all bad. If you have fished $3 Bridge in the last couple years (or plan to in the future), you have Orvis to thank for part of that access still being in public hands. When the landowner decided he wanted to sell off that property, Orvis teamed with a number of public and private entities to buy the place and keep it open to the public. Orvis matched funds with private donations to get the money to keep it open to the public. The rest of the valley is growing out of control, and the river is being cut off by rich, mostly out of state folks, but this section of river will remain open to public access in perpituity. Orvis was not the only one, but they gave a huge amount of money to get this done, and I for one applaud their effort.

By the way, the fishing there is top notch now, and there are no people to contend with. Which is a welcome change from the summer months.

Who gives a f-bomb dude? A lot of folks have been flyfishing since they were kids, some were even younger then you when they started. Big f-bombin' deal.....

C'mon people...cut the guy some slack, it's apparent that he, like most teenagers, has known everything (with the exception of humility) since he was thirteen .Plus he gets more chicks than most of us overweight old guys

C'mon people...cut the guy some slack, it's apparent that he, like most teenagers, has known everything (with the exception of humility) since he was thirteen .Plus he gets more chicks than most of us overweight old guys

C'mon people...cut the guy some slack, it's apparent that he, like most teenagers, has known everything (with the exception of humility) since he was thirteen .Plus he gets more chicks than most of us overweight old guys

Dude...

You know, it's a funny thing, cuss words. For every "Bad" word we have there are 3 or 4 words that mean the exact same thing that are considered more "Appropriate". Since the words all mean the same thing then their meaning obviously isn't what's offensive. It's the letters and sounds they have that are offensive. "Bad" words have harsh sounds. The harsher the sounds created by the letters, the more offensive that word is. It's pretty stupid really. (I'll censure this next part so you won't be offended by the letters) The word $#it is offensive but poop isn't. Poop has a softer sound. Of course, poop is a word that a 4 year old would use but it's preferred because it has a softer sound and that's what dictates whether or not a word is "Appropriate". Crap is ok but not in front of really young kids. Crap has a softer sound then $#it so it's not quite as bad but it's harsher then poop so you can't say it in front of kids but it's ok when they get a little older. The same is true with f#@k. There are several words that mean the same thing with softer sounds that "Appropriate". I think the whole thing is really stupid. Think about it.... You're offended by the letters I chose, not the meaning of the word I chose. I doubt you have the ability to really look at this subject objectively. You learned "Good Words" and "Bad Words" when you were a kid and didn't have the mental capacity then to see how friggin' stupid the whole thing is and now you're so brainwashed you can't even understand what I'm talking about.( Notice I said "Friggin'". That's a softer version of the word that offended you that means the exact same thing. Yeah I know, the kids, the kids! They'll hear these words and then they will use them. Pfffft... They've already heard them and already use them when you aren't around. As far as my post goes, I'm sure it will be deleted so just be patience. Until then, they're just letters dude, get over it....

Pride is to a conversation as kerosene is to the campfire. Or... something like that. Knowhutimean, Vern?