The Northern California Fly Fishing Board

1. Nobody called you an elitist (that I have seen) because you don't like to use indicators

Dusty,
This subject has come up several times over the years. You're pretty new here so maybe you haven't seen any of the other threads.

2. What supposed rules did I change? I have yet to see the holy text of fly fishing, and if it existed I probably wouldn't care to read it; it wouldn't change anything for me.

I never said I was talking to you. I was actually talking to Dries. It looks like I struck a nerve with you so I guess you feel that you fit the description of the type of angler I was talking about? There is no "holy text" of fly fishing. There you go with the attitude I was talking about.


3. Using the techniques you use doesn't make you an elitist, but claiming they are proper...well that might.

That fact that you don't know what's proper and what isn't proves my point. There should have to be a test that people take before they can fish with a fly rod. Like the driving test you take for a drivers licence. You shouldn't have to get 100% in order to pass, maybe only 90%. However, anyone that gets less then 100% should have to wear a dunce hat while they fish. You could even wear it to the side a little like Jack in the box.

4. Again what rules did we change? This fourth statement sure spawns a feeling of superiority

The rule about no bobbers! Aren't you paying attention? There's nothing wrong with using a bobber(I've even been known to do it)but you aren't flyfishing when you do it. You are float fishing. They have special rods and reels( and bobbers) for that that are more effective then trying to do it half ass and calling it flyfishing. I've even heard stories about the abortion of a rig AB uses. A bobber the size of a tennis ball with a lure under it. As far as my statement spawning "a feeling of superiority".... You don't seem to notice that you are using negative labels to describe me. You're suggesting that I am somehow lesser then you because I have a view of fly fishing that is different from yours. This suggests that you feel you are the superior "Enlightened One" that knows everything, and the rest of us are elitists or purists or some other negative label that makes YOU feel superior. I'm sure glad we have the mighty Dusty around to learn us all a thing or two.

P.S. I think you may have missed the fact that the Dries was just goofing around. The folks that know him goofed around right back. Go back and read the responses, I think you'll see what I mean. Lighten up dude!

Well deal me into this exclusive club because on Tuesday I caught a steelie on the Yuba on a PMD. However, my cast was only 105 feet, but I did let out 10 feet of extra line when the steelie took off on me.

I've never tried to tell you how to do anything nor have i suggested there was a right and wrong way to fly fish. *you have*, but you're right i just want to feel superior to Shawn the great... if just for a second i wanted to know what it was like to be above every body that uses an indicator and calls themselves a fly fisher.
I'll never want in this secret cadre of fly fishing elitism that suggests they are above those who are around them aren't doing it right when quite possibly they're doing it better. I guess its kind of like being intolerant of intolerance...call me a hypocrite if you please but at least I don't put other people down for using a different technique.
I'm done here I've got a baseball game
Dusty Revel

no/msg

All this talk of proper, or rather classic, techniques makes me wonder about equipment...Do "real" steelheaders use graphite rods, aluminum machined reels, and synthetic fly lines?

Shawn wrote:


The rule about no bobbers! Aren't you paying attention? There's nothing wrong with using a bobber(I've even been known to do it)but you aren't flyfishing when you do it. You are float fishing. They have special rods and reels( and bobbers) for that that are more effective then trying to do it half ass and calling it flyfishing. I've even heard stories about the abortion of a rig AB uses. A bobber the size of a tennis ball with a lure under it. As far as my statement spawning "a feeling of superiority".... You don't seem to notice that you are using negative labels to describe me. You're suggesting that I am somehow lesser then you because I have a view of fly fishing that is different from yours. This suggests that you feel you are the superior "Enlightened One" that knows everything, and the rest of us are elitists or purists or some other negative label that makes YOU feel superior. I'm sure glad we have the mighty Dusty around to learn us all a thing or two.



First off, bobbers/indicators shoudn't even be in the same discussion as being an elitist/purist. Bobbers/indicators isn't flyfishing. Not even close. Whoever thinks that they are, should have there head examined. Indicator fishing may as well be done with a spinning rod. It would be more effective and easier. After all, that's what indicator fisherman want anyways, an easier way to catch fish. Flyfishing is an art, not necessarily the best way to catch fish, but the proper way. You probably will not catch as many as the indicator/float guys but you will look a lot better traditionally flyfishing for them for the few you do hook. Isn't that what true flyfishing is all about? Not the catching but the method?

These so called wannabe steelheaders that use float fishing gear, they all should be shot. I seen them clean house wherever they go. After all, how many fish do you really need to catch? 20 or 30 a day. That is pure gluttony. Reminds me of that fat guy in Mexico who hasn't got out of bed for 6 years. SICK! They all look retarded when they cast them single action CP reels. But most can't cast anyways! Bird's nests city half the time. They should just call it Hoover fishing.

As for this AB character, his name is sure getting out there isn't it. Before your head swells to the size of a watermelon AB, it's not in a good way. Indicators and lures/jigs! What a joke. You should be shot too. Where does one get off on putting together a contraption like that and still consider himself a flyfisherman. Not even remotely close. In fact, that is probably the farthest thing from flyfishing that there is.

Until one has mastered the true art of grease lining or dryfly fishing, you are not a true flyfisherman. I suspect there may be two or three on this board and that's it Period! This board shouldn't even have flyfishing in its name. Just the NCFB would be much more appropriate. I don't think I have to tell you what that stands for but with all the ignorance that is posted all day around here perhaps I shoud. NORTHERN CALIFORNIA FISHING BOARD that's all it has ever been!

Elitist #1

DustinRevel wrote: but you're right i just want to feel superior to Shawn the great...

I'm glad we finally got that straighten out. But if it's all the same to you, I actually prefer Shawn the Great....

call me a hypocrite if you please but at least I don't put other people down for using a different technique.


Ok, you're a hypocrite Besides, you and your bro started with the name calling first.


I'm done here I've got a baseball game
Dusty Revel

Laughs.... Is that your announcement that you get the last word? Fire away, you can have it. BTW, did you see the P.S. in the last post?

no/msg

Dadgum. I'm trying to be insulted like everyone else here, but I just can't. I feel really left out. Dadgum.

no/msg

Phil is supposed to be the one to do these kind of posts!!!

My #1 Winter Steelhead rod is a 9ft, 9wt Yerxa...sometimes it has a Hardy Perfect on it, sometimes it has a Mt. Rainier Reel on it, and sometimes it has a Hardy Marquis on it...floating lines are almost never used but Amnesia backed shooting heads are. It's a rod that's been on the Eel, Smith, and the coastal steams or Mendo/Del Norte, Oregon, Washington, and BC...not tailwaters...I use a piece of crap Orvis 10' 7wt and a Abel for hatchery fish on those streams...with a floating line and flies that swing.

Paul