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NZMS in Lake Shasta 17 Years, 9 Months ago  
An article in the Redding Record Searchlight today stated that New Zealand Mud Snails have been found in Lake Shasta. Seems to me this means that they are either already in the Lower Sac or will be very soon.

I'm really hoping the Sac drainage above Shasta stays clean, but it seems like it is already too late. At this point I'd have a hard time believing that they aren't in many more rivers than we know of already. I hate to sound defeatist, but there's a feeling of inevitability about the whole thing, as if it is only a matter of (a short) time before every major river in the state has them.

At which point I suppose we won't have to freeze/clean our gear so often, but we may not have so much motivation to use our waders anyway.

Anyone hear anything about the Upper Sac, McC, etc?


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Mud snails encroaching
Anglers asked to dry gear, prevent spread

By Dylan Darling
Wednesday, January 9, 2008

In an effort to stop the spread of a tiny, invasive snail, anglers are being asked to freeze or dry out their waders after a dip at Lake Shasta.

Last month the lake was discovered to be the latest body of water in California where the hardy New Zealand mud snail lives, said Kyle Orr, spokesman for the state Department of Fish and Game.

"There is no known way to eradicate them," he said.

So officials are asking for the public's help in preventing them from spreading into new waters.

To do so, anglers should put their waders in a deep freeze, or let them dry out completely, after fishing at Lake Shasta, he said. The small mud snails -- the biggest measures a quarter of an inch -- can survive for weeks in the moist conditions of damp waders.

Boaters should also take time to wash down their hulls after pulling their boats from the water, Orr said. People should check other gear that came in contact with the water, as well as their dogs, for the snails.

First found in the Owens River in Mono County in 2000, the snails have spread -- mostly likely by clinging to people's gear and boats -- to more than 20 other bodies of water in the state, he said.

The mud snails are asexual, meaning they do not need a male or a female to reproduce, so a solitary snail can spring into a robust population.

The mud snails also don't have parasites or predators to keep their numbers in check as they do in their native New Zealand, Orr said, so their population can explode to as many as a million in about 9 square feet of waterway. The snails can survive being eaten by fish because they can pass through their digestive systems alive and unscathed.

The snails are a nuisance because they can cause a drop in the number of bottom-dwelling invertebrates, a food source for native fish, Orr said. This can cause fish numbers to drop as well.

Reporter Dylan Darling can be reached at 225-8266 or at This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it .
 
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Just a thought... 17 Years, 9 Months ago  
I haven't (thank goodness) had to buy waders recently (been about 4 years since my last purchase).

However, I recall that some wader and boot manufacturers were involved in the chemical test that DFG performed with volunteers in Putah creek a few years back. (as they experimented with solutions, strengths and washing, freezing methods trying to see which was best for use...

Wouldn't it be great if the manufacturers of both boots and waders could add a label or a set of instructions for killing or disinfecting these products after use in NZMS waters. I think it would be in their best interests to do such a thing.

Would this effort be at all valuable in helping slow down the spread?

Maybe they are already doing this in which case I apologize for the use of bandwidth.

Also, as more rivers become infected then the odds of all other rivers becoming infected increase as well... since other transport vectors would undoubtedly be involved (other river users besides fishermen - boaters or all types, people, pets and wild animals & birds).

Just my .02 cents worth

SHF
 
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Asexual? 17 Years, 9 Months ago  
Unimportant point but, with reproductive capability like theirs I think not. Maybe I'm wrong. More likely they are hermaphroditic (have traits of both sexes) or parthenogenetic (females reproducing females without benefit of a male). Dawn, Ralph???????
 
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Re:NZMS in Lake Shasta 17 Years, 9 Months ago  
I haven't had telephone or electricity for a week so have not been able to run down the facts behind this article (hope to have power next week). The only NZMS in the country who can thrive in lakes is a strain found in the Great Lakes. The guys we have in California are obligate river dwellers. Either the Shasta snails have evolved from our river strain (not too far fetched) or they were transplanted from Lake Ontario. In either case we are presented with an interesting scenario.

Huck - the females are parthenogenetic.

SF- Wading gear can transport didymo, whirling disease, millfoil, NZMS, zebra mussels, and a limitless number of other nasties. I believe both Patagonia and SIMMS provide literature in their wader boxes that is produced by "protect your waters" http://www.protectyourwaters.net/
 
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Thanks, Ralph no/msg 17 Years, 9 Months ago  
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Re:NZMS in Lake Shasta 17 Years, 9 Months ago  
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Potamopyrgus antipodarum (Gray), New Zealand mudsnail
Collection dates from 1900 through 2008
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Sample 1
Collection site: Lake Shasta, Bridge Bay
Collection date: 2007 SEP 5
Collector: Marion Wittmann
Mudsnail density: Sparse
Contact person: Marion Wittmann
Comments: Specimens collected by Marion Wittmann, graduate student at UC Santa Barbara. 805 893 5890, This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it Specimens confirmed by Professor Edward Levri at Penn State Altoona.

Sample 2
Collection site: Shasta Lake near Bridge Bay
Collection date: 2007 DEC 14
Collector: California DFG
Mudsnail density: Moderate
Contact person: Randal C. Benthin
Sample number: Station A
Comments: Snails were collected by Northern Region fisheries personnel assigned to the Redding Regional Office. Samples were transported to Doug Post (CDFG Rancho Cordova) on December 17, 2007 for positive identification. Randal C. Benthin ( This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it )

Sample 3
Collection site: Shasta Lake near Bridge Bay
Collection date: 2007 DEC 14
Collector: Calif DFG
Mudsnail density: Moderate
Contact person: Randal C. Benthin
Sample number: Station B
Comments: Snails were collected by Northern Region fisheries personnel assigned to the Redding Regional Office. Samples were transported to Doug Post (CDFG Rancho Cordova) on December 17, 2007 for positive identification. Randal C. Benthin ( This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it )
 
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