The Northern California Fly Fishing Board

your something else brian....

It looks like ol' trout’s nut is on another crusade (you want to play the personal attack game? I’m down(remember I’m just an immature teenager)) ... The centuries old battle between the young and the old will never end, and that is one of the many reasons I love this sport; our common breaks down the barrier between generations. Once the barrier is gone the younger generation can learn from the mistakes of the older generations. Here is a list of mistakes I’ve noticed that I have definitely learned from
1. Loving steelhead while living in Arizona
Moral: Don’t live in Arizona, but hey at least the craziest of Arizonians fish more than allot of folks that lurk around bitterly wishing they remembered what it was like to touch a fish… or a woman (or man… I’m not sure of everyone’s’ preferences, so I won’t discriminate)
2. Bragging about how poor of a caster you can be and still catch fish.
Moral: It is obvious to me that being a good caster won’t hurt your odds, so why not do it well? It can only help your chances. I know it has helped me catch fish that other people wouldn’t have ever had a chance to catch.
3. Bragging about how much better you are because you’re older than someone.
Moral: This only makes people wish you would hurry up and kick the bucket, and well I want to be liked when I die. I don’t want to find burning bags of dog dookie on my porch every Friday night.
4. Getting fat.
Moral: I can’t control time, my age is the slave of the seasons, but I can control how many hotdogs I try to shove down my throat at the same time.
5. Being Jealous
Moral: Don’t be bitter towards others because they have what you want, i.e. once I’m
old I can’t take someone else’s youth, so I should enjoy it while I can.
6. Being better than everyone else.
Moral: they will probably amount to more than I ever did, and maybe they’ll lead a happy and meaningful life.
Trout’s nut you should really consider going fishing, or continue pathetically sitting at home arguing with teenagers that actually live how so many others wish they could; Fish a few days a week free of all worries that the "holier than thous" are plagued with. At least I enjoy life, I’m not sure how many of you can say the same.
That’s all I have to say, not that it matters I’m too young to have a brain. I should really go to sleep... late night with the gf.

Dusty

PS I generally get along with older folks, and I’m sorry if I offended those of you who don’t deserve this, but for some it is necessary. Once again I'm sorry if this offends you

PSS I hope I die before I get old – Peter Townsend (well atleast before I become bitter)

Rant complete
You've said what you had to say, and I said what i had to say. can we move on now?

Thats why I think the prize should be a donation to conservation. Fly tournaments are a huge draw like the marthas vineyard tourney.

Working with 12 – 18 year old males and having two teenage daughters who are also athletes I experience competition and youthful exuberance all day every day. When I put my rod in the truck, there are very few people I am privileged enough to fish with or who are privileged enough to fish with me. I don’t want people to know where I’m going and I don’t want people there when I arrive and if either happens, I often relocate. It is not a competition, rather an experience. I still remember some 35 years ago when I got my first South Bend fiberglass rod and Perinne automatic fly reel. They belonged to my grandfather and were gently used. When he died, my grandmother gave them to me. I casted for hours on the side of my house in the grass just waiting for a weekend when my dad (he’s still in the category of “I am privileged enough to fish with”) would take me up to the Little North Fork of the Feather, Cold Water Creek or Lost Creek. It was a crowd of two and I was the crowd. I’ve never lost that. Even when I am with someone else, most often I am alone. It is special, it is Spiritual. On occasion over the years, I have prostituted, but most often I’ve held the privilege in high regard, where it belongs.

There was a time, George, when I was your age that I played high school and college sports. I crossed paths with major leaguers and consider myself wildly competitive. Nevertheless, fly fishing has always been taboo in my competitive arena. I still rib my dad at times when I am lucky enough to have an obviously better day than he, but it has more to do with mutual respect and admiration and the ability to deeply share something you both olve with each other.

I disagree young prodigy; tournaments have no place in my paradise on earth.

As for everything else, like Toby Keith says, "I aint as good as I once was, but I'm as good once, as I ever was . . . "

My 2 cents for ya there, Skirt Junior :O)

Jeff

ps -- I'm still young -- look -- I'm only a "Junior Poster"

I respect the opinion of a man who quotes Toby. I definitely like that aspect as well. We shot a film for the AFFM(American Fly Fishing Museum) about why fly fishing instills so much passion. The movie is called "Why Fly Fishing" I’m not sure when it will be available but I will try and get a copy uploaded. You guys might like it.
George

I guess I am a senior poster. Does dennys give a discount for that???

I commend you for having your brother's back..too bad he can't stand up for his own words.. but if you read back he is the one who started bragging and made reference to age.I wish I had the time to respond to each point that you try to make .....but it really would be a waste of time and words.There are a few that do stand out..you don't like people from Arizona but you won't discriminate???? trying to belittle someone because of their weight ??... flaming them and asking for them to just let it go ?? maybe you should work on your approach.In your defense, you do have some valid points......casting farther can never hurt and owning up to the fact that you are an immature teenager.



Ps.. what is PSS ???

Touche'

Scott

Forgive me for not giving a rats a$$ about the fly fishing industry. As far as I am concerned 90% of the "industry" could go away today and I would be fine. Most of the "industry" is only concerned with marketing of extremely marked up crap to ignorant city boys who think a $700 rod is going to help them catch more fish; It won't, (niether will casting 120'. Creating competition in fly-fishing only works to increase the number of jerks associated with the sport. And call me selfish but I don't want to see an expansion of the sport. I like my quiet little streams.

I feel compelled to weigh in...

I see nothing wrong with casting tournaments. I watch fly casting tournaments nearly every weekend and am continualy amazed by the skills tournament casters posess. I have no doubt that these skills translate to the river - distance, accuracy - all of it.

If tournaments and competitions bring people into the sport, then lets have more tournaments and competitions. Bringing people into the sport is a good thing. I don't want more people on my stream either; however, we need more people willing to voice their opinion about conservation, land use, habitat restoration, public access, polution and all the other hot topics we are faced with. Alameda Creek in Fremont used to have a huge salmon and steelhead run, and could again if it was important to enough people. If there were as many fly fishermen as golfers, there would be healthy fish populations in every waterway in the State, healthy steelhead runs in every coastal river.

If casting tournaments aren't your proverbial cup of tea, then don't participate.

I'm curious what GRevel had in mind when he said he was thinking about Xtreem fishing competitions. I'll go wet wade the Trinity with you in February and we can call it a competiton. You in, GR?

jtukk wrote:
IIf there were as many fly fishermen as golfers, there would be healthy fish populations in every waterway in the State, healthy steelhead runs in every coastal river.



Oh that would be great, we would have to call ahead for casting-times, all you have to do is look at the Trinity to see why this argument is bunk. I can't believe I am reading this,....i want to tear my computer apart right now...enough of this....I am leaving work for the day and going hunting for the last hour of light....I am lucky I can do that. I will get back to work later when it is dark....I hate burning daylight in-doors. as many fly-fishermen as golfers...I think I am going to be sick.

Hi esteemed NCFFB members,

Well, I can't believe I'm gonna make my first board post in a flame zone. Also, I think this thread may be beaten dead. But so be it, I feel compelled: To respond to your question, I've always felt that angling, done right, is both a craft (or sport, if you want) and an art. When I was younger and learning scads every fish and cast, I was really motivated by the craft. Practice makes perfect and all that. This went on for years. Ahhh, but there is beauty in imperfection. This used to greatly confuse me. I used to make a real LOT of effort to fish the best water, get at the best fish, with the best cast. Great. But then I'd have the funnest, most fulfilling day of the season catching the stupidest dink trout in a tiny mountain stream. And all (well, maybe not all...) the hulking brutes I'd rooted out through craft paled before a few wild 7" cutts. I'd feel like a king (or a champion? the winner?). How is this possible? Magic! Just kidding. I really don't know.

What I do know is that over time my reasons for fishing have changed pretty dramatically--my love for the avocation, not at all. I would guess that your reasons will change too, if you keep at it. I must say that I still don't know what to make of it. So for my part, I have very little interest in fishing competitions. I also have very little interest in cooking competitions, music competitions, painting competitions, beauty pageants, poetry or writing competitions, or drinking competitions (though such things do exist). Your question also for some reason reminded me of a response I got to a "doinganygood?" question on a really tough day at the Deschutes. The guy (yeah, old geezer, slightly overweight) said that the fishing is always the same. It's always good. Then he said, "the question is, how are you?"

I've enjoyed reading the board over the last few months. Lot's of knowledge here. I'll send a proper intro to the board in a little while.

Patrick